The LustTale problem.
This rentry will cover all the issues about LustTale and why it should be forgotten by the fandom completely.
Before I begin with everything, I will warn you that this entire page will discuss topics or SA, incest, pedophilia and NSFW in general. Click off if you cannot handle it, if you continue from this point on, you have been warned.
All the proof I show contains suggestive and NSFW content, view at your own risk!
I will cover every problematic character individually and at the end discuss any other things that I see as important to state.
Lust!Sans
I will get the most popular one out of the way.
Incest
Lust!Sans (or "Lust" as everyone knows him) has engaged in incest with his own biological brother, Lust!Papyrus, and other versions of Papyrus. I shall now send you the proof. The proof shown will be of art from the creator and also fanart that the creator has reposted, meaning they approved of fontcest. - Proof 1 - Proof 2 - Proof 3 - proof 4 - proof 5 - proof 6 - proof 7
Pedophilia
Lust has been drawn flirting with child Dream!Sans.
- Lust sans flirting with dream 1 - Lust sans flirting with dream 2
Dream in the pictures was drawn looking like a child, even calling Lust "sir" like a child might do, not to mention Dream has his old clothing on, the clothing he had when he was only 6. Adult Dream has a completely different outfit.
Sexual harassment and sexual assault.
Lust has exhibited disgusting behaviour where he does not listen when people obviously do not want to engage in sexual acts with him. - Lust harasses Fell Sans1 - Lust harasses Fell Sans 2 "But Fell was into it in the end!" Just because he ended up kissing back does not mean he wanted it at the start, it's still disgusting of Lust to push Fell into the kiss when Fell was obviously telling him to back off and that he was uncomfortable. Another image of him once again harassing Fell, it is clear they do not have a good relationship. - Lust harasses Fell Sans again You think it was only Fell? No, Lust also harasses classic and mentions engaging in incest. - Lust harasses classic 1 - Lust harasses classic 2 This one isn't Lust being pushy, but it's still a disgusting image where the Papyrus does not understand the full context of the situation and believes that he will be hurt. Lust is taking advantage of the situation that the Papyrus is tied up and vulnerable. And Lust is once again engaging in incest. - Lust and random AU Papyrus
This is all I have on Lust, now I will discuss Papyrus.
Lust!Papyrus
We are going to jump right into this because Lust!Papyrus is just as bad as his brother.
Incest
Papyrus has been depicted engaging in incest with his biological brother Lust!Sans and other versions of his brother. To see the proof of him engaging in intercourse with Lust and wanting to engage in intercourse with other Sans versions, look at Lust's section about incest.
Sexual assault
For this, somebody had asked the creator if the characters go into heat, which the creator had responded to it with a mini comic of Lust!Papyrus pouncing on Fell!Papyrus with the intention to fuck him, except Fell!Papyrus was showing visible signs that he did not want to have intercourse with Lust!Papyrus, making this sexual assault.
- Lust!Papyrus harasses Fell!Papyrus 1 - Lust!Papyrus harasses Fell!Papyrus 2
The concern with the ship Papyton in this AU
-> For context, metatton is an asexual character and has been sexually assaulted before. Given the fact Lust!Papyrus goes into a heat state and wants to fuck, clearly not listening to consent, puts Metatton at risk of being sexually assaulted once again.
Toriel
The issue I have found with Toriel was how the creator responded to a question using Toriel and Asgore. The anon asked if Asgore was collecting human souls for a "harem" (Keep in mind the human souls in Undertale are all souls of CHILDREN.) which the creator responded with a drawing of Toriel standing over Asgore while calling herself a "Sugar Mommy" while not denying nor confirming what they were doing with the souls, but the drawing might be implying that she might be the type to collect the human souls for a harem. - The response drawing In the image she also clearly is holding the human souls.
Chara's design
Holy shit this is just... HOLY SHIT. They have drawn Chara in extremely revealing clothing and has titled them as a "dominatrix". If you do not know, a dominatrix is a dominant woman. Chara is depicted as genderless just like Frisk, giving them a gender is taking out the representation and possibly misgendering Chara since Chara is depicted as genderless.
Chara is also a child in Undertale, might I add. "But in the description it says that they are both aged up!!!" That brings me to my next discussion.
Aging up characters.
Aging up a child character is fine, but not when it is aged up for sexual reasons. In my opinion, aging up a child character for sexual reasons is pedophilic behaviour if you are an adult doing these things. The creator is most likely an adult, making me believe that they most likely engage in pedophilic behaviour.
"But I'm talking about the fanon version of character!"
Okay so what? Your point is that everything I have just listed does not apply to the character? Yes, it does. I do not care that you think it doesn't, it does. It is the same exact character, you just made him act differently and now think that saves you from all of this. Fanon or not, the canon character is problematic as hell, it cannot be fixed by simply making a fanon version of them. They still have the same attributes as the canon, the only thing you have changed is how they act, you're not sneaky. Stop it.
"Oh, but character is also toxic, but you do not speak about them!"
If a character is toxic(Being a shitty person, being cruel, being rude, being a murderer, hostile, ect.) that is one thing and it isn't excusable, but much better than being problematic. If they're problematic(pedophile, indulges in incest, rapist, ect.) Then it's a different story and something that can't just be looked past and ignored. This is also about LustTale, not other AUs, don't try putting down another AU to normalize LustTale, this is not how it works.
"Let people enjoy what they want"
You are the reason people will excuse SA, pedophilia, incest, ect. and treat it as a minor problem instead of a major one. By enjoying the AU, you are actively supporting the creator and letting this behaviour slide.
"But this is all media."
Just because it's media does not make it okay, instead it normalizes disgusting behaviour. You are the reason when SA, pedophilia and incest happens in real life, people will brush it off and act like nothing major has happened. You are the reason victims don't speak out because people like you excuse everything and don't see it as anything major.
"But, the original creator has given the rights to LustTale to somebody else!"
And that proves? Exactly, nothing. It does not prove that everything else is suddenly not applying to LustTale, it still is. It's still problematic, it's still not okay. Just stop.
"It gives representation!"
Bad representation, it does not properly show how people recover after SA, it does not properly show asexual characters, it does not properly show any LGBTQ+ representation. I will speak about Metatton for this example, Metatton is possibly asexual due to the events that occured, he seems disgusted by sex and expresses it by calling characters gross for acting sexual. He would most likely need a lot of time to heal, especially since LustTale clearly does not have any therapist monsters that could help him. Metatton is shown being all lovey dovey with Lust!Papyrus and even french kissing, which honestly I don't believe an SA victim would do. He barely knows Lust!Papyrus and seems disgusted with anything sexual, I don't think he'll be french kissing without at least worrying about being SA'd again. in conclusion, they completely got rid of the fact he's a victim even though that seemed to be the biggest plot point in the comic that I have seen about Lust!Papyrus and Metatton. They have also completely gotten rid of the fact Chara is genderless and made them a dominatrix, I have already went into detail about this so therefore I will not do it again.
That concludes everything I had to say about this, if I find more, I will add it in. Thank you for reading. And for ponytown users: Delete your Lust character skins, be better.
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