)) callout rentry on the Crocodile Collective

This is a reupload of the former document and continuation, croccallout and croccallout2. If you were to click on this link, it would give you an error 404 message! They also appear as being in use. This is not the first awareness rentry to be taken down, we are aware of this fact, but regardless if this is 3 month old "drama" my friends and I will continue to leave this up under a different URL. These will continue to be reuploaded as long as they keep getting taken down. If needed this will move to a google document itself. Whoever had reported this URL, or however this had gotten taken down, thank you for not giving any ounce of sympathy towards any of us.

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(1) Who are you?
— I'm Akito, also known on github to be yaoieater... You guys probably have like no clue who I am and think this is stupid so thats fair, but I play ponytown of course and you can find me by the rhythm game area a little above the fence and toy stash if you'd like to talk to me (..◜ᴗ◝..)


(2) Who is this about?
— This rentry is about a system on ponytown, Crocodile Collective. I was closest with their host Tsukasa Mr-Showt1me, but towards the end of our friendship I had briefly met Mika vampyrkizzes. Basically, theyre collectively a proshipper and have avidly defended it to me about twice and once publicly. They have updated their links to include that they are proship however I still think it's important to make other people aware of their behavior




Images detailing their current githubs as of 05/25/24...
Tsukasa's rentry details "I am a proshipper. I'm not open to debate about it."
Mika's rentry details "proshipper/neu"
Mika's carrd (boku-no-kagehira, boku no pico reference) details "no real dni, but i am proship/neutral. i don't talk bout it like. hardly ever but to avoid anything else, yknow"


(3) Proof?
— So I fortunately have screenshots dating back to the first instance conversation. I'll give my own background information every now and then, because time between these events have dated back to last year, mid october 2023, to late may 2024. I'll try to be as transparent as possible (๑•́ -•̀)

10/13/2023, first incident with proof of date







— After this conversation when I left, and Tsukasa and I avoided each other deliberately for a period of time. I had no clue how to approach him with this especially after confiding with him my own experience. I was also disgusted that my friend who I had known for several months to possibly even a year seemed to lean into support with proshipping. We didn't have a proper conversation until december and he had grown paranoid to the point of unfriending me. I had also taken this another step further to hide him every now and then, which was awkward considering we had mutual friends actively interacting with us both while it was obvious we couldn't see each other.

We reconciled 12/23/2023 late december, with proof of date






Ignore the "poopy" comment lol it was another friend whispering me, completely unrelated

— As of today, I'm not happy with myself for making up with him. Im pretty sure I have some sort of attachment issues, severe, when it comes to my friendships so that caused a lot of difficulty when it came to the thought of actually going no contact completely. Like getting rid of him. all of that. From hereon we didnt discuss proshipping or "anti-censorship" as it was a sensitive conversation and I really couldn't stand the thought of losing my friend. Then, april came

04/09/2024, proof of date when new github was uploaded

— These screenshots are going to be in their full original sizes so you can all better read them, but essentially a new github account had began to surface early april ponytownconfessions, essentially a general confession page where you send something in and moderators post it. While these confessions allowed people to go off of anon and even encouraged arguments, the topic of proshipping was considered "problematic" and the moderator advised that any posts that were problematic or hateful to others would not be uploaded



Images detailing the current github as of 05/25/24...
Admin rentry details "WHY DIDNT YOU POST MY CONFESSION? it's either problematic, or hateful to other people. (or i just forgot to post it!)"
Admin rentry also details "WHAT IS CONSIDERED PROBLEMATIC? what i mean by problematic is racism, proship, pedophilia, discrimination, jokes about rape, etc."

— Then a confession bashing proshipping was sent in (I do not have that one on hand). Tsukasa essentially sent in a confession defending it, and then went off of anon to defend it as well. I grew uncomfortable. It was soon ushered to be taken down along with majority of the other #740s after making people uncomfortable. We topic switched soon after in the cbox. Here's a link, but as you can see after #741 the others are taken down up to a certain point due to the discussion of proship.

04/14/2024, proof of second incident


Image details the confession, #745
Second image details the confession page's cbox at the time, I am Akito, the crocodile collective with Tsukasa fronting was well... tsuksa
Second image details Tsukasa saying "That was me. I'm defending proshippers because there's evidence that suggests that isn't true. There's countless, countless articles and research about the coping method being healthy, but go off"

— From this point on, we didn't talk. Like at all. Tsukasa fluctuated being online and offline in a state when it first happened and a day or so onward, but I was already stressed out due to my finals coming up at the time and grew angry at his actions. I also grew inactive on ponytown for a bit, and we didn't even talk over discord. The only conversation we had between then was Crocodile Collective apologizing for being in a BPD split, and that was that. Mika had began to frequently front, and whenever I was online at the time I grew avoidant or passive aggressive towards their system for their actions. We literally didn't even interact besides a few mentions of each other or if our friend circle was messing around. I couldn't stand interacting with them after a point, and then soon after they had left the party.

05/01/2024, conversation about the second incident











Seventh Image details Mika saying "I'm genuinely upset you believe I condone something that is so incredibly disgusting in REAL life to something I indulge in due to literally experiencing it myself" (Admitting to engaging with proshipping)
Ninth Image details Mika saying "I know this is something you're highly uncomfortable with, but I'm not telling you to be comfortable. I'm asking you to be considerate"
Tenth Image details Mika saying "a LOT of artists in the eastern communities have expressed how dangerous and awful people who share the same sentiment as you are"

Including Crocodile Collective's "images without the gobblty gook of science"... Size not altered, so, sorry! They're huge



— Stated from our final interactions, I had then proceeded to block him over discord and permanently hide him on ponytown. I was upset to have lost a friend like that and stayed distressed, informing the group I had introduced him to over what happened as I said I would and that was that. Past this point I will be referring to situations that I was not personally involved with Crocodile Collective, possibly mentioned or discussed either of us, as "extended". The following screenshots and information was provided per a few individuals, who will gain their own introduction as this rentry progresses.

05/01/2024, extended Toki and Crocodile Collective conversation over myself (Akito)





— I was taking a breather until he had contacted my friend, Toki ESCAPE4SURVIVAL, over discord soon after the conversation had dismissed and began to repeat back the events himself. While this conversation derailed into certain nonsense, I should clarify... Despite a few of the things that Toki has said in these screenshots, "idm really im not gonna block u cuz i get you", she is not in support of proshipping. Toki has been present through majority of these incidents and if not all, and we have discussed her own beliefs and some of the past conversations she's had with Crocodile Collective that she will clarify towards the end of this rentry. After this point on, we had discovered a guestbook made for gossip.

05/05/2024, extended guestbook incident


First image details "stay anonymous"

— Days later, my friends and I were openly having a conversation in local about two individuals in the Project Sekai community who have made homophobic comments in defense of their ship, Akian. While I don't like akian, its one of the reasons I was kind of even having the conversation in the first place, a majority of this was because of the behavior they both distinguished in order to defend their favorite pairing. We were actively making fun of them. I was surprised to have found that checking the guestbook for something else to chew on with my friends, someone had sent in a confession about myself. We began joking about how awful of a person I was, and a second confession about this happened only 20 minutes later.

— After asking my friend (who was the admin) if I could come off of anon to reply to this, per respect of the anonymous rule, I was given the green light. I had replied at my earliest convenience and that was that. When the reply came I decided to not reply once more as to egg it on, and the admin soon took the guestbook off of his github.

05/18/2024, extended extended guestbook to discord incident

— I had been contacted a week to two weeks later by E cutenakanojo over Ponytown requesting to talk about Crocodile Collective. For those who do not know her well, she's a system host who has just began to show up more frequently on Ponytown. I was confused, but willing to accept and we had added each other, then began to talk over the incident and what had occured. E had confirmed that she was ":3" on the guestbook, and had apologized. I had shared my own side of what happened (the exact thing I'm explaining in this rentry, up to this point), and E had other things to add about them.










First Image details myself questioning "secondly, still about the gb posts, i'm curious to how mika even found out this information or came to the conclusion. i've had him permanently hidden..."
Second Image details E replying "[Crocodile System] has an alt"
Fourth Image details E saying "that was literally the entire story i got from him so um. very vague lol"

— This conversation was broken up ideally so that it's not a whole blurb of me repeating the same story back, but we had a generalized conversation about the events I had undergone before it opened up to me about some of the things they've had to deal with during their friendship with Mika as well. E had also provided certain screenshots from their conversation of how quickly the collective was to open up about the situation.
ㅤEssentially, Mika had assumed that during the homophobic shittalking I was having with a friend, I was actually talking about him. This ended up to him opening up to E about his "coping mechanism", proshipping, and ended up vaguely retelling the story and talking shit further about me. She had then proceeded to send a confession in due to the smeared image Mika had put on me.
ㅤI have never brought this up with anyone until this point, and refused to do so, only deciding to discuss this with the people involved, in our party Toki and another friend of ours, and the people who I had argued with defending his case. He did not share this same respect for me as I wished to pay towards him.

05/21/2024, extended E and Crocodile Collective conversation


— As per my request, E had agreed to share with me whatever was said between the two of them when the time came for E to discuss with him. E had initially contacted me in the first place out of the hopes of gaining my side of the story, and the conversation as shown between Mika and her when the time came was very short-lived. 20 minutes later, the collective had contacted Toki again.

05/21/2024, extended Toki and Crocodile Collective conversation over E







First image details Mika saying "if i had a nickel for everytime i was cut off for being openly proship by one of our friends i would have 2 nickels"
Third image details Mika saying "SHE'S 20 THOUGH, 20?????????????"
Third image details Mika saying "ITS OAKY iunno i usually think the older more like. understaanding? Antis usually come in the ripe age of under 16, so seeing like an actual adult not understand the connection is a bit fffunny? but like thats just me"

— Between the few odd comments he makes on the situation, Toki had expressed discomfort repeatedly throughout the evening as he contacted her to both E and I. She didn't want to be involved, like at all. Toki mentioned before the dm and even after that she hoped he wouldn't contact her, and yet he did.



(4) Statements ( ´・・)ノ(._.`)

— Toki ESCAPE4SURVIVAL
"About my beliefs

ㅤClarifying my actions from my point of view. Just for a little background (a few days or weeks before the ptconfess incident where tsukasa openly admitted to being a proshipper, then during the whole thing), I did admit to Tsukasa about not being completely against the idea of proshipping, citing my words: ‘I wouldn’t call myself one, but I do indulge in some of that content’ because at the time I was in a very bad mental state, I was confused and all of my thoughts were disorganized and very unclear due to my disorder. This entailed a series of small conversations about fiction not affecting reality, how it helped some people, how it was ridiculous for some people to shame others because of their way of coping and some other things that I can’t remember because my memory is very hazy.

ㅤThese conversations got in my head and made me think that it was okay to indulge in that kind of content, because I wasn’t in the right state of mind and just took it as it was, not being completely rational nor logical of how distasteful it is in reality. However consuming that kind of content, as brief as it was, made me completely disgusted and repulsed to the point of making me get worse and spiral onto other coping methods instead of it working as a coping method that doesn’t hurt me physically. I know this statement doesn’t excuse me from my behavior, and I’ll own up to it in any way, and yes, yes it is my fault for indulging it, despite how bad my mental health was. As for now, I’ve COMPLETELY stepped aside from this kind of content and ABANDONED it for my own safety as it wasn’t doing any good to me and it would have affected my social circle eventually, risking them and myself. ㅤㅤWhen this started getting out of hand and made Akito and E both cut him off, Tsukasa/Mika contacted me on both occasions, telling me the events and other things more. While I can understand why, as he probably thought I was someone to talk to due to my previous opinion on the matter, it still made me a little uncomfortable and anxious because I don’t like being involved in that kind of thing. I am younger than him, not that close either, so I was always wondering why he kept involving me somehow. I guess he wanted me to hear him out, but maybe it’s just me being unsure of things again. I am very sorry for betraying his trust, and very nervous at the prospect of the consequences falling onto me for directly turning against him despite not being that involved. But I had to do this, to provide my side of the situation.

ㅤAt the moment I write this statement, my opinion on the subject has changed harshly and I am very secure of it - I am not in support of proshipping. This kind of content is uncomfortable and triggers me. I do understand the reasons behind it, how it works for some as a coping method and a plethora of other things, but I still can’t get myself to support it. As an addendum, Crocodile Collective’s behavior is something to frown at when you’re in an environment full of mostly minors while you’re completely open about that kind of content. It feels strange and something that should be questioned, because why is a 20 year old talking about that kind of stuff around highschoolers who aren’t adults yet, giving reasons and citations not to frown at his behavior? As a previous victim of grooming, it’s something that at least to me strikes some red flags. That’s something you should keep to yourself and an adult social circle."

— E cutenakanojo
"statement about mika

ㅤalbeit this rentry is moreso about the system as a whole, i never had the opportunity to come in contact with tsukasa, so my statement will be primarily about my experience with mika.

ㅤid met mika the second of may if i remember correctly, sometime around then. ive been on pt since 2017 but took a very long break from the game as id been finishing high school and moving on to more important things than the game. id gotten bored one afternoon while taking a break from twitter, as i like to have something on the side to keep myself busy while i do work or watch youtube. i found the prsk/rhythm/idol area quickly on the safe server and decided to make a skin for the first time in a very long time.. and some friends as well. after having a few falling outs with other people in my life who weren't good for my mental health, i was interested in making some new friends and felt the game might be a good way to do that.

ㅤmy qpp is very interested in enstars, and after sitting around for a bit, i saw a mika skin nearby. i decided to say hello, and commented that "my girlfriend loves mika so i like to scope out enstars fans any chance i get." i was pleased to know that mika was a system as well as my age, since those two things together are very hard to come by these days.. it may have been why i was so quick to trust him as well.

ㅤwe began talking daily, for about a week solid, and within that time mika grew very comfortable with me and my presence. he had been sharing quite personal information with me about his living situation and such, which at the time i was totally fine with as i like to be "the therapist friend" to those that i enjoy.. just a personal thing. in retrospect, i have to wonder if it was a red flag that he was so quick to open up and vent about seemingly serious subjects, though i won't be disclosing that information for his privacy.
ㅤat one point mika had began to talk to me about things that i didn't realize until very recently fell under proshipping ideals regarding akito's situation. as a victim of grooming when i was 16 years old, the fact that mika and tsukasa had talked to several children about these opinions was extremely concerning to me, thus pushing me to reach out to akito for his side of the story. throughout our friendship, mika had made a few comments that had upset me, one in particular being about systems. we'd been chatting about someone id made friends with being an irl of a prsk character, which i had been confused about because id mistaken this friend for another friend who was a system. that prompted mika to question why a system was an irl, then made a comment about how "you have issues if you have more than 3 introjects from the same source." as this rentry states, i myself am an introject system host, with several introjects of the same source just as my diagnosed partner system is. the comment upset me as i had just told mika not long before that i have a lot of introjects with the same source. that was just one of a few minor comments that had turned me off a little bit, as again, id only known mika for a week and a half or so by this point.

ㅤmy stance on proshipping, as this rentry mostly deals with, is a distaste for it. mika had made a comment to toki that can be found above about how he didn't understand why i wasn't putting the pieces together due to my age... but i do. as a former psychology major and somebody who had been surrounded by a large friend group of proshippers at the age of 16, i understand the logic behind this train of thought. i simply do not agree with it. fiction does affect reality, in fact it is the basis as to how and why i was groomed. my groomer was an ephebophile (when an older adult is sexually attracted to post-pubescent teenagers or adolescents—usually those in the age range 15–19) who used a fictitious ship to project onto us and make possessive and sexual comments about me via kinning. i understand the croc system's opinions on proshipping and understand why they do it, but because of my past, i cannot get behind it or support it.. especially if it's an adult trying to convince children of its correctness.

ㅤall in all, mika was a good friend to have around in the beginning, though things seemed to derail the longer i came to know him. i am glad that i came forward to talk to akito, though i truly wouldn't have taken the step if it weren't for my partner who had an extremely negative opinion on mika from the beginning (thanks to him :)... ) if anybody would like to talk to me further about this, or if you need help due to being in a similar situation, please reach out to me via discord (kanaena.) !! please be safe and aware of who you're speaking to online. <3"


(5) Extra information?
— I'd like to mention all of our ages ... As of 5/26/24
I (Akito) am 16 as of writing this, my birthday was days ago, 05/22. I had met the Crocodile Collective maybe about last year when I was 14, right before I turned 15 (maybe a month or so).
The Crocodile Collective is bodily 20 as of now, their birthday has passed this year. We had met when he was 19 if I remember correctly.
E is bodily 20. It's birthday has not passed this year.
Toki is 17, her birthday has not passed this year.

— If you find the discord screenshots as proof of date dumb, thats fine, but I live msg like everything going on in my life to a small close circle of people. Thats how I've logged and recorded all of the major events, plus in my own personal server for info sorting (¬_¬")


(6) Conclusion
— Okay, so... I really hope from hereon this situation is over with. The Crocodile Collective has claimed to move to the 18+ server now per Toki, and I hope they stay there, but occasionally I've heard that they've still shown up on safe. Their following is cleared, they've updated their links, but again the purpose for this rentry was to make other people aware in case you might still see them around. I am distraught and furious that someone I was so close with actually turned out to be this way, nevertheless attempted to sway me that my mindset was dangerous and that he had a point for his behavior.
ㅤOnce again, If any readers need to contact me you can either find me actively on ponytown or through my github yaoieater. I have an atabook linked, so send in something and I'll get back to you (๑ᵔ⤙ᵔ๑)


)) If any more information is to be added, then this document will update. I do not encourage witch hunting, merely your own safety


(7) Continuation ... Added 5/30/24
— A few days after this rentry was published with additional edits, Toki and I were approached by Range doctorratio about his own experiences with the Crocodile Collective. He was willing to share, but due to the contents being completely unrelated, new, and possibly further triggering to any readers, it was agreed on to make a seperate rentry. I implore anybody who was willing to let the Crocodile Collective's actions pass with this rentry to read this continuation, considering it is full of further evidence hypocrtitical to previous statements made by the collective. Read here.


(8) Edits
05/26/2024
— Added transition statement between 04/14/2024, second incident, and 05/01/2024, conversation about the second incident (that I forgot)
— Added E's statement
— Fixed some grammatical errors, sorry

05/30/2024
— Added additional continuation section over Range's experience

8/30/2024
— Reuploaded document
— Added reupload statement (thanks to whoever took it down) and initial view counts
— Shuffled statements in order of introduction throughout the rentry
— Decided to adjust extra information segment about ages (and reclarify)
— Adjusted knowledge of E's birthday (had not occured prior the rentry edits)
— Adjusted retrospring mentions to atabook
— Adjusted Range's github to his current username

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