Recently /fwt/ has been having a serious spam / shill problem. Several problems of the shilling have been pointed out here and here's my take on it. I could try and gather several other posts too but I don't feel like wasting my time on that.
Shilling reduced to """acceptable""" levels. Still, I'll keep the filter around here in paste.
Friendly Windows Thread Paste#
- Friendly Windows Thread Paste
- Microsoft Windows
- What edition / version should I get?
- What are N / KN editions?
- Changing Windows 10 editions post-install
- Non-Microsoft supported upgrade paths
- Downloading Windows
- Installing Windows
- Activating Windows
- Installing drivers
- Debloating and debotnetting
- Microsoft Office
- Other Microsoft or Windows related links
- Other programs
- Microsoft Windows
What edition / version should I get?#
In the following sections various recommended Windows versions are described and explained why they are superior to other similar versions.
Windows 10 Education#
The "cleanest" semi-annual channel release of Windows 10. Education is the same as Enterprise except features no one uses and is by default configured to not have ads (due to regulations of some countries), so you can go with either if you plan to use a debotnet tool. Pro Education is not Education, but a worse SKU based on Pro.
Windows 10 Enterprise LTSC 2019#
Windows 10 1809 based system. Differences from normal Windows 10 Enterprise are the lack of bloat like ads and UWP apps including Windows Store (can be manually installed) and lack of feature updates (security updates are provided for 10 years). Some newer GPU drivers may drop support for it and some Store games don't support it. If those are important for you or aren't bothered by feature upgrades, you might want to get Education instead.
Windows Embedded 8.1 Enterprise#
Windows 8.1 based system meant for embedded systems. It's like if Windows 8.1 had an LTSB/LTSC edition, this being the reason for recommendation. Unlike LTSC for Windows 10 this version includes Windows Store, but similarly misses other UWP apps. Unlike the POSReady releases the EOL matches that of Windows 8.1.
Windows 7 Enterprise#
While Windows 7 is generally not recommended anymore, if you want to get one, get Enterprise. Feature-wise same as Ultimate, however can be activated by KMS_VL_ALL, which doesn't require BIOS/Legacy install. Before installing, it is recommended that you integrate Simplix update pack by downloading the .exe and drag & dropping your iso onto it. The update pack also comes with BypassESU which lets you receive ESU updates until 2023.
Windows Embedded POSReady 7# Windows 7 based system meant for Point-of-Service devices. Practically identical to Windows 7 Enterprise, has some extra features that you probably will never use. It also has support until 2021-10-12, unlike Windows 7 which reaches EOL on 2020-01-14, this being the main reason for using POSReady 7 over Windows 7. Installing features is a bit tricky though.
ESU turned out to be circumventable easily, so this will only become relevant in 2023.
What are N / KN editions?#
Antitrust laws force Microsoft to provide these editions. N editions are made for Europe and remove Windows Media Player and related features. The later also includes various codecs which may result in YouTube videos not playing among other problems. While the features can be (mostly) restored with an optional update, using these editions is not recommended. KN editions used to be like N but also removing Messenger. Since MSN does not exist anymore, these editions have been discontinued.
Changing Windows 10 editions post-install#
Windows 10 supports changing SKUs on the fly, however there are some restrictions. First, there are limited upgrade paths, refer to this matrix for available paths. Second, to change edition Windows must be able to activate the target edition (at least Microsoft says so, sometimes it works without). For us this means you need to install KMS_VL_ALL before changing edition (you might need to set SkipKMS38 to 0 in Activate.cmd if you have a HWIDgen / legit license). After you're done with that, you just need to select and enter the key for the version you want from here.
Non-Microsoft supported upgrade paths#
Microsoft disallows certain upgrade paths that would otherwise work. You can bypass these restrictions by using an ISO and modifying UpgradeMatrix.xml. Remember that this is not supported or tested by Microsoft at all, prepare for the worst.
What the fuck is an SVF file#
An SVF file is a SmartVersion difference patch, essentially the differences of a source and a destination file. Combining it with the source file required yields the destination file (ISOs in our case). These are often used for distributing Windows ISOs, because there is a huge overlap in terms of data between ISOs. Only having to distribute one ISO and 10 GB of SVFs for all edition and language combinations is much easier than 300+ GB of ISOs.
How do I extract an SVF file#
With SmartVersion (freeware, signed, considered trusted). Download the zip for Windows x86 (x64 and Linux reported to randomly break by some anons, Linux users can just use wine), put smv.exe next to the SVF and the source ISO, open up cmd / PowerShell in the folder (Shift + Right click), and use the following command:
.\smv x <SVF file name> -br .
In some links below multiple SVFs might be required to get to your desired edition, just apply them in order.
Do I even need an SVF file?#
Probably not! Let the filenames guide you: Do you see an ISO matching to what you want to get? If so, you absolutely do not need to do anything with SVF files.
- POSReady 7: ISOs
- Windows 7 Enterprise with SP1: ISO and SVFs or ISOs (en-US only)
- Embedded 8.1 Enterprise with Update 3: ISO and SVFs or ISO (en-US only)
- 10 Enterprise LTSC 2019 (1809 / 2019-03 refresh): Magnet (en-US only) or ISOs
- 10 SAC Consumer from Microsoft: ISO
- Mirrors by luzea: open directory, MVS Collection
Which edition is in which ISO?#
- Consumer: Home, Pro, Education (and their N variants)
- Business: Pro, Education, Enterprise (and their N variants)
- LTSC: Enterprise LTSC (and its N variant)
For editions that are in both Consumer and Business there's no difference in content besides the default inserted key (Retail generic vs VL generic).
The Installer doesn't let me choose edition or requires key#
Make a new file called
ei.cfg in the
Sources folder of the installation media with this content:
How do I verify ISOs aren't fake / infected?#
Microsoft publishes SHA1 or SHA256 for MSDN subscribers. There are numerous automatic dumps of this online where you can look up your hashes, like here and here. Look up both SHA1 and SHA256 in both of them, since SHA256 is a recent change. If found in any, it's good.
Script for removing features from a Windows 10 ISO pre-installation. Available here (open source). Most changes it does can be done on a live installation in a rollbackable way instead, therefore not recommended for beginners. Doing things wrong or not following the documentation can result in a (subtly) broken install that can only be fixed by reinstalling.
Preparing installation media#
On Windows you can write the ISO onto a pendrive using rufus (open source). On Linux use WoeUSB (open source). No,
dd doesn't work. If you're on Mac,
you're fucked - use a VM or Bootcamp with Windows. you can try following this, but you might be better off just using a Windows or Linux machine to make the installer.
The Windows installer likes to get stuck at partitioning step. If this happens to you, try the following:
- Make sure the installation media is not in an USB3 port - Windows dislikes this sometimes when it doesn't have proper chipset drives yet.
- Remove all storage devices but the installation media and target device - Windows might refuse to install when any disk or disk controller driver is missing, even if it is not needed.
- Run DISKPART's CLEAN command on the target disk. This fixes corrupted or non-existent MBR or GPT. Note that this deletes all partitions.
There are various ways of activating activating Windows, some worse, some better.
KMS_VL_ALL (by abbodi1406)#
Activates volume capable editions of Windows 7 to 10. Uses no internet, networking, tasks, services, servers or drivers. Fully open source, link to source can be found in readme.html in the distribution. Works on all SKUs that can be activated with KMS. You can only activate Office with KMS, so if you plan on installing Office you should probably use this. Official thread (needs registration, or just use bugmenot). Official and updated pastebin from thread is here. Use AIO for a nice single .cmd file with menu, or traditional for easier auditing, automation, etc..
Activator that generates permanent Windows 10 Digital License by faking an update from an older Windows version. Your hardware identifiers are sent to Microsoft, thus the license can survive reinstalls. It can also survive hardware changes if you tie it to a Microsoft account. Cannot activate older Windows, any Office and the following Windows 10 SKUs: Enterprise China Government and all Server SKUs. Ideal for activating normies' computers, since they can't break the activation with AVs or reinstalls. Open source, available on GitHub. If you plan to install Office it's recommended that you go with KMS_VL_ALL instead, as it adds no overhead to also activate Windows.
Not recommended activators#
Activation option in HWIDgen for Win10 SKUs that don't support HWIDgen. Activates until 2038. Using it causes repeated trying, timeouting, erroring in event log after renewal interval (not activation interval) passes. Also doesn't support Office. Use KMS_VL_ALL instead.
Activator for OEM activatable Windows 7 SKUs. Messes with bootloader to inject SLIC tables used for OEM activation, thus also doesn't work with UEFI. Use a KMS compatible edition and KMS_VL_ALL instead. If you already installed a wrong edition with UEFI and really don't want to reinstall, look into WindSLIC.
KMSpico, Microsoft Toolkit, etc..#
Outdated KMS activators using more bloated, performance hungry and inferior ways compared to KMS_VL_ALL.
Random exposed KMS servers on the internet#
May go down anytime, which makes all your software unactivated. Also they are usually hosted in nations where exportation is banned by US law like Iran. It is also slower than KMS_VL_ALL since it does actual networking, but this should be obvious.
Buying keys on eBay#
They are usually not for your region or breaking EULA in other ways (OEM / MAK key, etc..), which makes it about as legal as using any of the other activators. These keys might randomly stop working, possibly after the refund period has expired. Regardless, you might still want to do this for Office, since this is the cheapest possible alternative that requires no persistent software like KMS activators, making it suitable for getting Office for normies' computers. Different regions might require you to use phone activation.
As a first step update your Windows, as it sometimes downloads driver updates too. Then, try grabbing all the missing drivers with SDI Origin. If something doesn't work try downloading the driver from the device manufacturer's site. If it still doesn't work and your computer / laptop is built by an OEM try getting the driver from their site (this sometimes occurs with touchpads of laptops).
Debloating and debotnetting#
You can use privatezilla (open-source, user-friendly) or privacy.sexy (open-source, for advanced users) for debotnetting a live installation. Be aware that using such tools on an offline optimized installation might be counter-productive due to wrongly detecting already applied changes.
Tool for downloading Office 2016/2019/2021/365. Official thread (available after registration). Mirror (2 3 for 2021-05-22 version (password: 2021). Download and install office, optionally use the disable telemetry feature. After this KMS_VL_ALL_AIO should be able to convert to volume and activate it.
Other Microsoft or Windows related links#
Unfortunately with the death of traditional AMTemu (and CCMaker which used it) getting Adobe products became harder since there's no generic easy to verify crack available. What's usually recommended nowadays is m0nkrus's releases (try the pb.wtf link for registration-free download) who seem to be working together with PainteR (developer of AMTemu) and uses a newer (app-specific) version of AMTemu. Unfortunately the prepackaged huge ISOs are harder to verify, so you just hope that Ivan won't steal your chinese cartoons. Only detected as HackTool:Win32/Cracking!MSR by Defender which suggests there isn't malware coming with it, however you must disable Defender during install else the detection will block the crack from running. Post-install no detections seem to happen, however you might want to whitelist
Program Files\Adobe and
Program Files (x86)\Adobe from Defender to avoid future detections breaking your programs.
- MSFN - best Windows-related support forum also harboring projects and their support threads (StartIsBack++, Glass8, OldNewExplorer, UniExtract2, WinNTSetup)
- VOGONS - forum for retro Windows/DOS; also harbors projects like dgVoodoo and DOSBOX for retro shit in newer OS stuff.
- Win-Raid - drivers / firmware / modding forum; also contains a Windows section with an userbase breaking limits of HW support for pre-10 Windows
- Station-Drivers - also drivers stuff, use if your OEM offers outdated-as-fuck drivers.
- retrosystemsrevival - download center with software and drivers primarily for retro windows
- Microsoft Update Catalog - download center for updates and WHQL drivers without the objectively unnecessary shit; perfectly navigable only from fucking IE though, due to botched searching by device's IDs & less accurate search results for non-IE browsers.
- TheHotfixShare - mirrors of hotfix updates offered by the recently-defunct Microsoft's Hotfix service
- reboot.pro - also a nice forum for windows stuff and harbor for projects like Ventoy, Rufus or ImDisk
- AskWoody - best place for discussing windows updates, bugs and tricks along with general technews; their DEFCON system is nice for tracking whether updates break havoc
- borncity - nice blog similar to above with a nice FAQ containing tips & tricks that can be useful
Hurr durr the infograph is shit#
Reply to the latest infograph posted in any thread, and your suggestion will be considered for next release (sometimes a few days, sometimes a few months). Software changes based on objective factors (eg. software discontinued, other breaking changes) will be considered just from a single suggestion, subjective changes are checked mainly for popularity on /g/ and /fwt/, but also somewhat for software quality, suitability for the infograph (so your CAD software probably won't get in here), etc..
Last content update: 2021-08-16