SKUNKY FAQ
bc i keep getting asked these questions...
● why am i a proshipper? ● how long have you been proship? ●
● why am i a darkshipper? ● other Qs ●
have more questions? ask 'em here
why am i a proshipper?
i'm anti-harassment. i don't believe someone should be attacked, harassed, or bullied in any sort of way because of what they like in fiction (though i also believe NO ONE, regardless, deserves harassment, but for the purposes of this, i'm talking about fiction).
i'm also pro-fiction and anti-censorship. no art should be censored, barring the obvious (specfically referring to any art that is indistinguishable from a real child).
what if they like [insert "yucky" ship/trope/dynamic here]?
nope! even if it's the nastiest, most morally reprehensible thing in your eyes, the creator does not deserve to be bullied.
not even [insert another "yucky" thing here]?
not even that. as a general rule for me, if it's fiction, i do not care what they do.
why even bother calling yourself that?
this is a three-fer! 1) i know how mean antis can be, so i want people who like darkfic to know i'm cool with them, 2) much like how people may have pro-choice in their bios, i have proship. i'm very passionate about censorship, and how dangerous it is, so i want to signal to others that that's a topic i'm interested in, and 3) i'd rather let people know upfront that i'm proship, rather than make friends with an anti, and similarly, antis don't have to worry about "accidentally talking to a proshipper".
do you believe criticism is censorship?
so. this is a bad argument for multiple reasons! It's automatically very bad-faith, for one, but furthermore...I don't think fanworks made purely for the creator's enjoyment should be criticized (unless explicitly asking for it), nor do i believe that any forms of "i don't personally like it" or "i think it's gross" are valid criticisms.
do you think fiction affects reality
fiction has the ability to affect reality, yes. however, it's not on a 1:1 scale, and the circumstances have to be right. for example, Slenderman did affect that girl's reality, BUT she had undiagnosed schizophrenia, so ultimately that was the cause. movies like song of the south and birth of a nation were racist, and definitely empowered racist people, and that IS an effect it had on reality, BUT i guarantee no one walked to those movies normal and walked out bigoted. they had that in them to begin with. movies can make you sad, or angry, or upset, and that's an example of an effect it has on reality, BUT that's pretty mild, and if you're saying that being sad could be enough to send someone over the edge, then you'd have to agree that any and all art is bad and should be censored because of the potential for it to cause extreme versions of those emotions.
what about RPF?
ehhhhh....i have very. mixed opinions here (not about harassing them. they don't deserve to be harassed). on one hand, it's just fiction, because you're writing fictionalized versions of those people. on the other hand, you're involving real people. i know sometimes actors/singers/whatever are fine with it, and i guess then it's okay? but in other cases, they express clear disapproval. if you don't tell them about it, and they don't seek it out, they'd never know, so it doesn't matter. but if they do...i dunno! personally, i don't ship any real people. i make jokes about j2 (jared padalecki and jensen ackles) but i don't ship them, and think it's weird when people insist they're fuckin. ¯_(ツ)_/¯
what about RPF with kids?
RPF with kids is always off-limits for me, and i would nottt like to be associated with people that like that. for me, that crosses straight into csem territory (moreso with fanart, but fanfic makes me majorly uncomfy too sometimes. depends on how it's written/if they're referencing physical traits of the actor). when it comes to live action stuff, all the characters i read fanfic aboutt have adult actors. same with cartoons tbf but i don't know of many kid VAs
how long have you been proship?
obviously i didn't learn about the terms til about 2016? 2017? but i've always adored dark fiction, so i've never loved the whole "what kind of fiction you consume can make you a bad person" narrative that was going around when i was a kid (think jack thompson/old conservatives with GTA). to be honest, it's probably a lil bit to do with my extreme (annoying) atheist phase? because it's very similar rhetoric.
were you ever an anti?
i had a veryyy brief stint being an anti. i never harassed anyone (thank you social anxiety), but i def had a period where i was over-moralizing fiction. i basically stopped being able to justify why, like. incest in fiction was bad, but murder or bestiality(family guy) was okay, so i stopped and decided that if that made me a bad person, then c'est la vie.
do you have trauma?
i know this one sounds like a strawman but i promise i've been asked this! i do not have trauma, no, but this is such a personal and invasive question, and you should never ask some random online about their trauma. no one has to prove that they're "traumatized enough" to use fiction to cope, or to enjoy darkfic.
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why am i a darkshipper?
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i've always loved darkfic, and horror, and everything gross/bad/wrong. i like discussing taboo things. idk why exactly, but i know i like it. there's no one reason, either, because the reason i like some incest ships are the exact opposite reasons i like others.
do you only like incest?
so basically everything you can think of that's bad, i'm completely okay with IN FICTION. it takes me a much shorter time to list everything i don't like (coprophilia, feet stuff, farts, diapers, inflation). and if you have to ask if i like it, the answer is probably a yes.
isn't it insensitive to victims to like darkfic without having trauma?
no more than me liking horror movies is insensitive to murder victims. in the nicest way possible, i am not responsible for their feelings. if me privately (and yes, private. i'm not shoving it in your face by talking about it on my pages) enjoying some darkfic affects someone that bad, they don't need to be online.
are you a loli/shota/kodocon?
shotacon! gregory from fnaf security breach, crying child from fnaf, and tsubaki from shota oni are... also, on the low, elizabeth afton.
other Qs
why does that need a community? idk why does anything need a community? why isn't it enough that a bunch of people who enjoy discussing the consequences of censorship just want to talk to each other?
why does it need a spot in ponytown?
see above. why does anything need anything.<-
why are you, as an adult, in the safe server?
i feel deeply uncomfortable in the 18+ server for multiple reasons, but let's get the basics out of the way. i do not need to be in the 18+ server just because i am an adult. i never bring up adult topics in the safe server (i will talk about them if others have already started talking about them, but i use very clinical terms, and never am i inappropriate about it), and me simply existing as proship isn't inappropriate.
i dislike being on the 18+ server because i have gotten very violent threats and disgusting suicide baits that i've never gotten on the safe server, because that kind of language gets you kicked. there's more moderation on the safe server than the 18+ server.
i also don't like the 18+ server because minors are just as likely to be on there as they are on the safe server, they just don't say they're minors, and i don't like the possibility of talking about 18+ topics to a child lying about their age!
why do you have "minors DNI" while on the safe server?
just because i am in a space that has minors, does not mean i cannot set boundaries. you are also in a public space with people of all different ideologies, but you are allowed to set boundaries and say you don't want proshippers to interact. same difference.
why do you like alfred's playhouse?
i sorta don't? it's disturbing, and very clearly a cry for help from a young girl who lived on newgrounds. (yes i know she's said it wasn't a vent project, but she said that long after the fact, and while she was completely brainwashed by her nazi boyfriend.) it's really, really sad, and alfred alfer makes me feel maternal. he's just a baby :(
why do you like TCOAAL?
i think it's an okay game! the codependency between them is fun, as is ashley's obsession with andy. the dialogue is a lil corny, but it also kinda gives mid-2000's parody horror movie, so i'm not upset w it. i'm also just intrigued to see where it goes. i lowk hope they die in the end, bc i don't think they can have a happy ending. also ashley pretty...
why do you like wincest?
codependency rears it's beautiful head again, bc they're SO codependent. they live for each other, they die for each other, they can barely live without each other. there's also just the fact they check a LOT of boxes for emotional incest (i believe john and dean and maybee john and sam have an emotionally incestuous relationship too)(and B4 anyone starts w me, i say emotional incest instead of enmeshment because of the multiple comparisons between sam/dean and their respective girlfriends/bed partners, dean's siren being a pastiche of sam, amelia being a temp fill-in for dean, lisa saying "but the minute he walked through that door, i knew. it was over. you two have the most unhealthy, tangled-up, crazy thing I’ve ever seen", jess and dean sharing a birthday...to name a few!). besides all that, they're just two very VERY attractive men, and two's always better than one.
have more questions? ask 'em here
● why am i a darkshipper? ● other Qs ●
● why am i a proshipper? ● how long have you been proship? ●