My response to BruceWayne:

The Offense of Zina (Enforcement of Hudood) Ordinance, VII of 1979 provides for Islamic standards of proof and punishment for the crimes of adultery, fornication, rape, and prosecution. Punishments include stoning to death, amputation of limbs, whipping, imprisonment, and fines.

hell does exist because people who have murdered, raped or killed and have not recieved their punishment will recieve an eternal punishment in hell.

1.
You claimed murder and rape are punished by eternal hell in your original comment. Give me sources for that.

2.
You realise that zina is defined as premarital sex, right? Marital rape as a concept doesn't exist in Islam. Pedophilia isn't considered immoral either.

https://sunnah.com/bukhari:5134
https://sunnah.com/muslim:1436d

Islam considers murder to be the most heinous crime against a person. The blood of a human being is sacred in Islam. Prophet Muhammad (SAW) reportedly stated that the first act of Allah on the Day of Judgment would be to punish murderers by making them suffer the torment of Hell.

3.
Source for this, please. You do realise that Islam issues the death penalty for apostasy, right? You do realise that in this very comment you've said yourself that committing zina means one should be stoned to death under Islamic law? You do realise that means killing people, aka committing murder?

https://sunnah.com/nasai:4721
https://sunnah.com/nasai:4059
https://sunnah.com/bukhari:6805

4.

"Indeed, those who believed and those who were Jews or Christians or Sabians—those who believed in Allah and the Last Day and did righteousness—will have their reward with their Lord, and no fear will there be concerning them, nor will they grieve." (Q. 2:62).
For those who do good deeds, there shall be the best reward and yet more blessings. (Ch.10: V.27)
And if they had believed and acted righteously, better surely, would have been their reward from Allah, had they but known! (Ch.2: V.104)

Lmao. How are these relevant? I said that the Quran says that unbelievers go to hell forever. I don't see how much clearer some of these verses could be:

"But those who disbelieve and deny Our signs will be the residents of the Fire. They will be there forever." (2:39)

"Surely those who disbelieve and die as disbelievers are condemned by Allah, the angels, and all of humanity. They will be in Hell forever. Their punishment will not be lightened, nor will they be delayed ˹from it˺." (2:161-2:162)

"...And whoever among you renounces their own faith and dies a disbeliever, their deeds will become void in this life and in the Hereafter. It is they who will be the residents of the Fire. They will be there forever." (2:217)

Indeed, neither the wealth nor children of the disbelievers will be of any benefit to them against Allah. It is they who will be the residents of the Fire. They will be there forever. (3:116)

Quotes taken from quran.com, the Dr Mustafa Khattab translation. These are literally from the second and third chapters so you wouldn't have needed to read far to see them. I've debated many Islamists online and have never seen anyone make claims like these. Salvific belief is a central tenet of Islam— there's no way you've read the Quran and missed it. I could keep citing verses like these— there're a ton of them— but hey, maybe you could give the book a go instead. You're the one who believes it's divinely authored.

anyway, for the love of fuck, if you're going to come on here only to negate the experiences of others and call people names, at least educate yourself about your ideology first.


Can't edit my original post anymore but in the interests of being thorough, I'd also like to add that a) regarding point 2, that it's completely lawful for Muslim men to rape female war captives and b) regarding point 3, that Islam also orders for gay people to be executed. Sources below.

https://sunnah.com/muslim:1438a
https://sunnah.com/ibnmajah:2561
https://sunnah.com/bulugh/10

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Pub: 20 Jul 2023 12:46 UTC
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