✿ what "mspec lesbians" & "lesboys" are & why there's so much discourse surrounding the labels
Q: Who are you?
im rick or val and im a nonbinary futch lesbian! im a minor and i like this silly webshow
Q: What is this rentry for?
as well as many, many other lesbians, im absolutely tired of people using lesbian as an umbrella term for sexualities that include attraction to men. this is moreso a polished rant than anything, but im also trying to educate people on the history of the term and why its harmful to lesbians
Q: What is a bi/pan/mspec lesbian?
mspec is usually reffered to as "multisexual spectrum" or "multiple-attraction spectrum", and it includes all bisexuals, pansexuals, omnisexuals, and basically anyone who experiences attraction to multiple genders.
mspec lesbians are a group of labels that attempt to include men in lesbianism.
Q: What's wrong with identifying as this? I don't see anything wrong with it.
short answer: lesbians aren't attracted to men. if you are mspec but are more attracted to fem-aligned people, use sapphic.
longer answer: lesbian is not an umbrella term: it's non-men attracted to non-men (usually reffered to as nmlnm). this includes masculine identities (ex: transmasc nonbinary) because they are not men. using lesbian as an umbrella term for any mspec identity is harmful to lesbians because we aren't attracted to men!! at all!! a more accurate term would be sapphic because it does include mspec identities.
Q: What is a lesboy?
this term is usually used either by men trying to force their way into lesbianism or actual lesbians reclaiming the term.
the original term is "someone who identifies as both a boy/man or a lesbian", but many butch/gnc/otherwise masculine lesbians reclaim this term.
if you're a lesbian, i would suggest avoiding the term in order to avoid confusion and possible harassment or explain that you're reclaiming the term.
"stop policing queer identities"
if ur label is harmful to/spreads misinfo abt other queer people then it isnt valid! hope this helps ^_^
esp if ur a notsbian and trying to speak on lesbian issues...
✿ other notes
i don't condone harassment of any kind to mspec lesbians/lesboys, as people will still use these labels. the block button exists for a reason ^_^
the main thing im trying to explain here is that if ur a lesbian who's attracted to men (and likely sapphic)... ur not a lesbian, and ur not a lesbian if ur a man OF ANY KIND (and yes, this includes transmen). please stop trying to include men in the one sexuality that doesn't include them. it invalidates both actual mspec identities (bi/pan/omni/etc.) and lesbians.
thank you for reading all this! im rly fucking tired of mspec discourse everywhere and the fact that we have to reiterate this 4 DAYS into pride is fucking insane to me and! notsbians please stop speaking over lesbians when we speak abt this ESP if ur a man :3
edit 6/4: changed title from ✿ what "mspec lesbians" & "lesboys" are & why the labels are harmful to ✿ what "mspec lesbians" & "lesboys" are & why there's so much discourse surrounding the labels because the term lesboy IS reclaimable, but there still is discourse attached to the term,, sorry! ^_^;
edit 6/5: fixed some grammar and typos